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Queens Central Forums » Topic: Wedding at The Plaza http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658 Queens Central Forums » Topic: Wedding at The Plaza en-US Mon, 20 May 2013 14:45:47 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/search.php jensays on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=3#post-98923
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Sun, 16 Oct 2011 03:57:57 +0000
jensays 98923@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Ah, weddings, a very favorite subject of mine. In comparing notes with some of my coworkers it appears like a) I go to way more wedding then they do; b) but those they do go to tend to be to people whom they are much closer to and therefore they give larger gifts.</p> <p>I've begun to use registries a lot more for the gifts, because it's what the couple claim they want. But sometimes it gets tricky if all that's left is the small items like dishtowels, cork screws etc. Then what do you do - just buy lots of little things till it adds up to x dollars?</p> <p>In Orthodox circles weddings with 400+ people are quite common. I've been to some where there were over 700 people since the father on the side from which we were invited is the rabbi of a large shul, and had to invite his congregation, plus they have a large family themselves and a lot of friends as well. Hassidim have been known to rent out places like Madison Square Garden for weddings of their rebbe's (chief rabbi's) kids, which are sort of like wedding of royality. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:06:15 +0000
ShaynaMadel 98881@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>He got $20 million, a house and $180,000.00/year for life. He was 56 then and is now 74.</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/10/nyregion/boeskys-agree-on-settlement-for-a-divorce.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/10/nyregion/boeskys-agree-on-settlement-for-a-divorce.html</a> </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:38:30 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98880@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Even more beautiful as her father was Ben Silberstein one of the richest men in Detroit and the owner of the Beverly Hills Hotel. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:28:42 +0000
bobbyrab 98879@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Ah yes, the beautiful Seema, I think her name was. One of his subsidiaries was named after her. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:27:21 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98878@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Wife ditched him after they took his money, she had to pay him alimony. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:18:13 +0000
bobbyrab 98877@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Ivan was indeed an son-of-a-gun. He yelled at me needlessly many times during his annual audit. I knew many men of Boesky's temperment on Wall Street and I always felt he got what he deserved. He must be around 75 years old now. I haven't heard his name mentioned in ages. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:07:32 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98875@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Boesky deserved what he got. As I recall he was a first class prick to deal with from people who knew him. Whitsleblowing can be dangerous, but in tax cases it can be worse. I remember one tax attorney talking about a case where the Bookkeeper snitched to the IRS and it went to trial. Came out in testimony that the Bookkeeper was supposed to get a reward and she kept calling IRS jut about everyday asking about the money. Jury heard that and voted for acquittal. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:31:37 +0000
jane11375 98856@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>If I have said this once, I have said this a thousand times. HR exists to protect the FIRM. Not the employee. People do not realize that.</p> <p>Whistle blowing is definiely a double edged sword. One would think people would be happy to know who is stealing from them....yeah not always.</p> <p>Anyway as to weddings I subscibe to the "at minimum cover the cost of your plate" school.</p> <p>I miss The Plaza of yore. </p>
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Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:02:43 +0000
jewels 98852@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Barb<br /> Have a nice time at the wedding. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:41:14 +0000
Queens Moll 98822@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>I know what you're saying. There was a secretary in an old firm I worked at who was being harassed by an attorney. Instead of dealing with the attorney, they fired the secretary and she had one heck of a time finding another job once word got out. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:32:03 +0000
bobbyrab 98818@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>If you are familiar with the Boesky affair, and have read the book "Den of Thieves", it is readily apparent that whistle-blowing is indeed a double-edged sword. An old friend of mine, a Wall Street accountant of very high esteem who still practices helped break the case with the help of another old friend who worked for Mr. Boesky. This other fellow, who was certainly no angel, supplied evidence that was very valuable in convicting Boesky. It's very sad when I see this guy now once a year at a big BBQ hosted by the hero accountant. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:44:46 +0000
Queens Moll 98813@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>TR - if you meant the subject of whistle-blowing - I agree. It's a double-edged sword. You can find yourself blacklisted in a lot of places if you're a whistle-blower. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:52:56 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98811@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Moll: there are certain subjects even whne it's clear that there's sarcasm, you really have to be careful what's said. When I was a young accountant that was one of them. </p>
ShaynaMadel on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=3#post-98806
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:42:56 +0000
ShaynaMadel 98806@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>TR, what you've posted about WJC is all stuff that I'm familiar with and logically flows from the temple being conservative and therefore requiring both observation of certain religious rules. Apparently, though, the place is rather posh in appearance, in addition to having kosher catering. </p>
bobbyrab on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=3#post-98804
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:19:54 +0000
bobbyrab 98804@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Yes, it would QM, yes it would. I always find it ironic that the more that I type, the less I am understood. Maybe that's a good thing... </p>
Queens Moll on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=3#post-98802
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:53:13 +0000
Queens Moll 98802@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Bobby - I'm working on a "sarcasm" font. Imagine how handy that would be! </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:34:17 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98800@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Bob: That's because your Chairman would have had to dig into his pocket to pay that one. So unless the Cardinal was using your firm to trade the Archdioses's stocks and bonds, I'd say that too. At least with the Lubavitcher Rebbe, people usually came to him and if he did travel it was in a 10 Year Old Chevy. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:21:32 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98797@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>WJC is a Conservative congregation so the Caterer has to be Kosher. Unlike most places instead of four possible affairs it has three because Saturday afternoon is impractical. Not many people want to serve Bagels and Lox and have no music for a B'nai Mitzvah. Plus the cost of the Kosher food and supervision is much more expensive. A lot of these guys are looking at Reform Temples and other locations outside the Temples because it limits the business they can handle especially in tough economic times. Many of the large operations that have multiple venues have Kosher and Non Kosher divisions. </p>
bobbyrab on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98796
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:16:39 +0000
bobbyrab 98796@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>TR, my comment to jewels about whistle-blowing were tongue in cheek. I should have inserted the apparently obligatory ";)" at the end of my comment. Believe me, I know all about T&amp;E charges for private functions making their way to Corporate Headquarters. We were a public company and it was up to me, after conversing with our Chairman about the nature of the bills, to determine if they were or a portion of a bill, were proper charges to the Corporation.</p> <p>EDIT: One of our subsidiaries was a charter airliner which really complicated the T&amp;E dilemma. Once we flew Cardinal Kroll of Philadelphia somewhere and his office called up and wanted me to waive payment on their bill and for the Corporation to write it off. Our Chairman, an upstanding and distinguished Catholic, told me to tell the Cardinal to "go f himself". My how I miss those days! </p>
ShaynaMadel on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98792
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:03:44 +0000
ShaynaMadel 98792@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>The killer about a place like WJC is that it's a kosher caterer. That's what really jacks up the cost. Nice thing about temple catering is that if you're not one to get involved with a lot of running around and/or hire a party planner, they deal with a lot of the basics and you just add on and bring in extras as they suit you. Frankly, for what the caterer charged per head for my nephew's bar mitzvah and my sister's wedding, I can't believe they put out the quantity of food that they did, looking as beautiful as it did and tasting better than almost any catered function I've been at in years. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:53:29 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98791@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Temple caterers are typically more expensive than most places. A reason why it's on the decline. </p>
ShaynaMadel on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98790
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:46:23 +0000
ShaynaMadel 98790@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Okay, jewels, you're right. WJC is expensive--it was one of a couple of "dream" locations that my sister contemplated before the reality check. But still, the gift is for the couple, not the parents, so the issue of awkwardness of the boss receiving cash should be a non-issue. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:42:25 +0000
TALBOTRESIDENT 98789@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>One simply because bills came into the office, does not mean that the firm paid for and deducted them on it's tax return. Even if they did it could have been charged back to the Boss.</p> <p>I often direct personal bills and deliveries to my office it's more convenient for me. I keep a personal checkbook in my office and pay personal bills from it. </p> <p>By the way Bob, Juries in tax evasion cases do not take kindly to employees whistleblowing on the boss, especially when there's a reward involved. Nobody likes a snitch. </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:37:14 +0000
Barbee 98788@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Thanks, knife, I agree with you. And your "kidding and stupidness" gives me a giggle! </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:30:39 +0000
bobbyrab 98787@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>"Some of the bills came into the office"</p> <p>jewels, any thoughts of being a whistle-blower? Good leverage against the boss! </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:27:03 +0000
jewels 98786@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>The flowers were rare orchids, etc. The arrangements were elaborate and started at the table and went up to the ceiling. The affair was held at the Woodbury Jewish Center. The parents running the affair do everything over the top and don't look at cost cutting. They spent thousands just flying in some senior employees from Europe. Some of the bills came into the office </p>
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:14:35 +0000
Ava 98785@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>QM, I love what you said!!! </p>
ShaynaMadel on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98783
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:07:17 +0000
ShaynaMadel 98783@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Jewels, a lot of those affairs that people think are megabucks, while not cheap, aren't nearly what people think. And almost all of the time, flowers are flown in from either out of the country or Hawaii, as most flowers aren't consistently readily available in the continental US. As for the gift, it's for the couple, not the boss and maybe the couple would rather have cash. </p>
jewels on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98782
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:49:10 +0000
jewels 98782@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Barb<br /> Your last response makes things easier. In this case choosing a gift from the Wedding Registry makes things easier. Since it is a boss/employee relationship the father wants you to share in the happiness and not necessarily match the cost of dinner. Something in the range of $350 would be entirely appropriate<br /> When I went to "over the top" bar mitzvah and bas mitzvahs" my boss at the time threw for his children--a wedding would have been less costly--in one case several employees got together and bought the boy blue chip stock--and in the other case we bought a gift of jewelry. They were black tie affairs, flowers were flown in from Hawaii, the cocktail hour was more elaborate than most meals. The boy was into tennis and they were going to book an appearance by a top tennis player at the time @$10,000 for one hour. Your husband's boss may feel more comfortable accepting gifts from employees than cash. </p>
knifesong on "Wedding at The Plaza" http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/topic.php?id=9658&page=2#post-98780
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Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:30:32 +0000
knifesong 98780@http://www.queenscentral.com/forums/ <p>Barbee: all of my kidding and stupidness aside, you need to take care of people that take care of you. You want to honor those that have had an impact in your life or have gotten you through a rough patch. I'd probably go with Bobby's estimate of 4-500. I don't think anyone will complain about $400. It'll also give you peace of mind to know that it'll probably be appreciated. </p>