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kaykordeath
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There are two totally different arguments being made here.

Do you WANT to save the stadium and SHOULD the stadium be saved...

My daughter WANTS to have ice cream for dinner. It's tasty, good source of dairy, and calories are calories regardless of the meal. She'll burn them off playing just as with any other food. Is it POSSIBLE to have ice cream for dinner? Sure. Go to the store, get it, give her a spoon.

We WANT to save the stadium. It's architecturally interesting, historically and emotionally resonant to a number of us. It is POSSIBLE to be saved in the it just takes an influx of money and a willingness to invest.

SHOULD my daughter have ice cream for dinner? Probably not, as there's not a lot of good nutrition in it. Loaded with sugar late in the evening will screw with sleep. It would be nutritionally irresponsible.

SHOULD the stadium be saved? I'd argue not. Loud concerts are going to upset the community. Quiet concerts seemingly aren't interested in coming out here. Multi-purpose usage seems to be financially irresponsible.

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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Pat: Apprently there were enough concerts where they peed on lawns, barfed in the streets, loud noise late at nite which is why the community doesn't want it. The problem is the group that goes to see even James Taylor and Carol King are older and they drive so you need parking. Ask your self this question. Why hasn't there been a concert since 1998 and why hasn't a major concert or arena operator stepped up here with a serious offer? Because the facility isn't condusive for the kind of entertainment that the community will allow that can earn the money to justify investing money here.

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Posted 2 years ago #
biker
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plus, investing all that money for a stadium that can't be used year round. If 300,000 would bring this thing up to code, i think an investor woiuld jump on it and have a go at making it work. 12mm is a big difference.

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COCED
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it will end up being bought by a couple of local Bukharian restaurateurs, who will built a huge wedding hall (I heard there's one somewhere on QB and 69th St or nearby, total success) and their private beautiful mansions on the site (something like 112th St palaces). And everybody will be happy )))

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Posted 2 years ago #
junost
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Good one COCED :)

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Pat 31
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"What are you going to do landmark it and it'll just keep crumbling and turn into an even bigger eyesore."

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder TR. Speak for yourself.

I think the Stadium is one of the most beautiful structures I've ever seen and I've been all over the world. They could let the building be and have a 'friends of the stadium' membership where people can provide membership dues with the basic upkeep. I would gladly donate to an annual membership. Every structure has to be utilitarian for some people. That's why NYC has the shittiest track record with preserving our history. If it just stands there tear it down.

If TR lived in Ireland and had any kind of pull (which he doesn't here thank God), this would have been history. I mean what good is it?

http://www.musicpilgrimages.com/album/index.php?alias=cover__the_unforgettable_fire.html

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Posted 2 years ago #
rego-forester
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I add to Pat's great sentiments that the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium is one of our most significant historic sites nationally, and even on an international level. Forest Hills should be so honored, and yet some want to strip their visionary senses and de-map what Forest Hills is known for. We will continue "fighting the good fight" to preserve, restore, and reuse it for the whole community, since we care about our American history, architectural beauty, and quality of life. That's the American spirit!

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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Sell memberships to pay for it's upkeep, what the hell are the two of you smoking. Firstly it's not your property and it's not just upkeep. That Stadium requires 12MM in structural repairs which means even with upkeep this is falling apart without those repairs. Are the two of you going to assume legal responsibility for the structure? Where are ya getting the money for all this. Here's the price Pat about 10MM to buy it, 12MM to renovate it plus the cost of annual maintenance on a facility that's going to generate minimal revenue. Again and I know you won't answer because you can't. Why hasn't any major arena operator, entertainment comapny etc. made a serious bid for the facility. Maybe you can get Robert Goulet for your fundraiser, Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

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Pat 31
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You're right TR it isn't our property. The WSTC can do whatever they want with the Stadium.

You also never answered my question.

Michael pointed out that according to a public statement from WSTC President Kenneth Parker, the WSTC is seeking other uses for the site now that the CM condos have been rejected, will respect the site's historic significance, and is not in a state of debt. "Financially secure" is his exact words.

Here is your response to Michael:

"As for other uses Parker may be protecting the Club from adverse publicity by saying that. "

What adverse publicity are you referring to TR?

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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What it means is this Pat. They are saying that they will entertain financially responsible bids for purchase or lease of the facility. Lease meaning a deal that would give it a return based upon the FMV of the property, net of any renovation, modernization (including parking for at least 2k vehicles) and upkeep. That means entertainment conglomerates that can bring the acts that will bring the gate needed to recover those costs and earn a profit. When no one steps up to operate the Stadium they'll have the excuse needed to put the property up for sale to developers. In other words it'll shut the interlopers up. Again who has put up a serious offer to operate the Stadium, no one. Why should anyone bother to drop a fortune on renovations and not be able to book the acts that will make money.

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Pat 31
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TR, you've spoken to Kenneth Parker about this and he's confirmed eveything you've speculated about? Gotcha.

According to his statement to the press, Parker "will respect the site's historic significance."

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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Oh puhleeze Pat, they're not dropping 12MM+ themselves, so unless he has a major arena operator who can finance it, they're doing squat. Get real. He's gonna put it out and when no one comes back with a serious offer they're gonna sell it to developers. IF they don't do it with Condos they'll partner with a Hotelier and put up a high end Boutique Hotel with club privileges. Hey man it's not the Club, it's not me, it's the neighborhood that's in opposition. If they weren't I'd probably would have been to a couple of performances already. I'd like nothing better than to see Mr. Warmth perform at Forest Hills, but some how I just don't think it's gonna happen for all those hockey pucks out there.

I've answered you twice, but you haven't answered me, which major operator has come forward with a plan to buy or lease the Stadium and renovate, modernize and operate it. You never answer because there isn't anyone and until there is and soon it's going to have to come down. So listen Sancho either you and Don Quixote convince the neighborhood to allow concerts or do the next best thing take it apart and put it back together in Flushing Meadow. You can look at it anytime you want and maybe they'll fix it up for tennis and concerts. They have plenty of parking over there.

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Pat 31
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"I've answered you twice, but you haven't answered me, which major operator has come forward with a plan to buy or lease the Stadium and renovate, modernize and operate it. You never answer because there isn't anyone and until there is and soon it's going to have to come down."

TR I have no idea. I'm not on the board. I would only be speculating.

I also disagree with you. It doesn't have to come down. The Stadium is a symbol of stability and history in my area.

I think the WSTC realizes it too when you read Parker's statement to the press.

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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It's PR to keep things quiet. He can say they they tried and no one made a serious offer so it's being sold. It has to come down or eventually it will deteriorate to the point it would have to be condemned as unsafe and come down anyway. If there was a serious offer to the Board, don't you think it would get out. There isn't any. It's a shame, but if you want it convince the community to allow concerts that make money for promoters.

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junost
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You keep contradicting yourself TR.

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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I'm not contradicting myself at all Junost. The reality is the Club cannot justify the cost of renovating and maintaining the Stadium unless it can generate the revenue to cover those costs and make money. It means a bringing in an operator who is going to bring in the acts that put fannies in the seats and makes money for both the operator and the Club. The community is oppositional and so far no major operator has stepped up with a plan that's acceptable both to the Club and the community. It's very simple as to why because it's not profitable for them. It's something that people like Pat and Michael can't seem to grasp. You should all get real, this ain't happening.

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junost
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There you go again.

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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It ain't happening dude.

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biker
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listen, I think the 2 sides agree that it would be great to see the stadium saved and used for something that makes saving it worthwhile. The difference seems to only stem from the belief by one side that it doesn't make economic sense to save and one side that thinks it does. Nobdoy is debating that it's an old structure that should try to be saved....does this sum it all up? TR, you don't get pleasure in the thought that it might be torn down, correct? Your opinion comes from more of a practical place, right?

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ShaynaMadel
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I'm thinking that it's more like one side believes it does not make economic sense and the other side thinks there must be something that makes economic sense, so the search for that something should continue.

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biker
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LOL.....this thread is going in circles.

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TALBOTRESIDENT
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It's a practical issue, it's an entertainment venue, not a statue it's upkeep is expensive and if there's no money coming in it can't be maintained and it'll fall apart and eventually have to be condemned. If it can't make money then it has to go. After all it's why it was built in the first place.

It's been more than 12 years since it was used, how much longer can they search?

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g-man
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i do need a new wine cellar.

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Pat 31
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Well I think the bright side to all of this is that it sounds like Talbot Gardens is in tip top shape considering TR has all this time to devote to the this issue :)

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Karen in NYC
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I saw an article from May 2011 that the stadium was rejected for landmark status due to damage: http://foresthills.patch.com/articles/city-tennis-stadium-too-badly-damaged-for-landmark-status

Here's another article: http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/net-post/2011/aug/29/ruin-forest/

I have fond memories of concerts (though I fail to recall which ones I went to!!), and of the RFK Pro-Celebrity Tennis Tournament.

History of stadium: http://www.foresthillstennis.com/history.html

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